tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13519202.post3842768278404215016..comments2023-10-17T06:50:26.427-07:00Comments on Poker with WillWonka: Can Anybody Find Folds?WillWonkahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06154883018461460762noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13519202.post-88364662187140754532010-10-05T12:07:55.226-07:002010-10-05T12:07:55.226-07:00You run bad.
That said, when you get check-raise...You run bad. <br /><br />That said, when you get check-raised on the turn (1 & 3), I'm finding folds - maybe not right away, but on most rivers - with strong but non-nut hands at these stakes. Your villains' bluff frequency is really low at these stakes, and that's all you beat. Of course, against maniacs (you should have notes/stats on these) just shovel all your money in as fast as you can. But most of the time, at these stakes, the players just aren't trying to trick you. They've hit some unlikely nut hand after making a horrible preflop decision, and are playing for stacks with the goods.<br /><br />I like the river check-behind on #2.<br /><br />-PLShrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05404058806313927899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13519202.post-22212537087935182022010-10-05T12:01:27.360-07:002010-10-05T12:01:27.360-07:00I think #3 is probably a fold -- I assume you knew...I think #3 is probably a fold -- I assume you knew this guy had made his flush once he was raising the turn and then betting out the river. But I also think that's a very difficult fold and I'm not even sure I would have in your shoes -- but when I called on the end, I would have at least strongly suspected I was going to get shown a flush. The 6-high variety, that was a bit more of a surprise....<br /><br />I don't see how anybody folds in hand #1. Though it is always comical reading how people say they would fold there. Someone above asked "What do you beat there?" about hand #1. I woud reply with "just about any possible hand in the world". At this level, anyone with any King will clearly push all the chips in (and sooted Kings call raises as a rule for this price I find), and even a second-pair-top-kicker or an AA type of hand will get flipped up once in a while at these limits. To think people would really even consider folding in that spot is just so comical to me. The flop is just so massive huge for you, and unlike the comments above there are about a gillion hands that you beat, and only two solitary hands that you don't. It is losing poker pure and simple to fold in that spot. If I actually believed any of these people would fold, I would get more worked up about this, but of course nobody or their mother is folding the AK on the KKx flop.<br /><br />"I just flopped the third nuts on a high-card flop that almost surely hit my opponent as well. Since he raised me once at these low-ass limits, he must have precisely JJ and have flopped a boat to my trips-top-kicker. I will fold."<br /><br />Uh huh. Phil Ivey on HSP vs Tom Dwan and with 350k of their own cash in the middle of the pot, playing against one of the toughest poker players in the world today? Maybe you fold. At 1-2 against uberdonks for what amounts to maybe $80? Can you imagine if people actually *would* fold that hand? Let me play in <i>that</i> game please.<br /><br />Hand #2 obviously you pwned somebody and got disgusting'ed on the river. No reason to even talk about possibly folding under those circumstances.Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13519202.post-22722993525139434242010-10-05T11:42:31.910-07:002010-10-05T11:42:31.910-07:00I think you're splitting at best on the river ...I think you're splitting at best on the river in #1, so I could possibly fold there.<br /><br />#2 you played as well as possible, not sure when you would even consider a fold.<br /><br />#3 is the closest call. Hard to fold with good odds laid on the river.noldmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632933577001519894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13519202.post-29587465743317742322010-10-05T11:08:11.016-07:002010-10-05T11:08:11.016-07:00I fold #1. Think about it. What do you beat there?...I fold #1. Think about it. What do you beat there? You beat AA, which doesn't make sense, or KQ. When he check-raised you on the turn, you have to wonder if he's bluffing, and a jam on the river tells you he's not bluffing. So you're hoping at that point he has one hand. <br /><br />I fold #3 too. Easy flush read there. <br /><br />#2? Yeesh. Tougher. Good for you for checking the river so you could see a showdown.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08837529956827141862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13519202.post-37335390312671495622010-10-05T08:40:31.835-07:002010-10-05T08:40:31.835-07:00I could find a fold on hand #3, but not #1 or #2. ...I could find a fold on hand #3, but not #1 or #2. Ouch...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13519202.post-80064304344110181982010-10-05T06:51:04.062-07:002010-10-05T06:51:04.062-07:00u run badddddddddddddu run badddddddddddddFuel55https://www.blogger.com/profile/12464384674517768637noreply@blogger.com