Role Reversal

I hope everbody had a great Thanksgiving Weekend.. Mine, of course, was ruined when Billy Cundiff decided to miss a field goal that would have ultimately won the game. Man, if the Cowboys don't make the playoffs, there is going to be a lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda going around.

I'm still continuing the 15/30 route. I want to thank everybody for their comments on the last couple of posts. I also enjoy doing this as it forces me to look at my play hand by hand. A third installment of this breakdown of my weekend play will be coming shortly... but the question of the day is when do the fish become the fisherman?... It seems that they (LAGs ) are doing the fishing and preying on the fisherman (TAGs) lately. This role reversal continues to give me and others a mighty heartburn as I played and watched them win huge hands.... thankfully I wasn't in all those big pots... lol.


I'm going to keep this post short; but will throw this out...

Playing 15/30 over 315ish hands, how do you think I ended up with the following stats:

VPIP (basically flop % - BB) = 17.89
Preflop Raises = 9.09
Won $ when seeing flop = 39.68%
Went to Showdown = 38.10%
Won $ when going to showdown = 58.33%

Was this my breakout weekend or more of the same?

Hand history to come.

I did get a nice comment during play this weekend (by a semi-good player)... I had pocket 9s and got my set on the flop. The betting was capped. An Ace came on turn and he checked and i checked.. rag on river and he bet and I called.. Of course he turned over AA and I lost. His comment was something like... Am I playing with my cards turned face up? Mr Sklansky might have been proud of my play as I probably lost the minimum in that situation. OK, OK.. I'm not a genius.. he did the old limp - raise thing which is usually a dead give away to either AA or KK.

Ok.. to be continued......

Monkey See Monkey Do

I still don't have my PC back... I get it back tonight....

I played Friday night to as usual very bad results... With great humility, I am going to post the results... so.. back by popular demand.. my hand history from the night... Needless to say that this is going to be painful for me to post and I do it with great hesitation...

One problem at the beginning was seeing all the monkeys hit their hands.. and to make matters much worse.. my folded hands would have been golden... It is so hard to resist the urge not to play those bad hands or those so-so hands out of position... but anyway.. here it is.. As usual, feel free to comment away on my Monkey play... because as they say.. .Monkey see.. Monkey do..

Hand#	Pos	Hand	Net	Action	Comments
1	BB	44	-30	C PFR	3 players.. Flop 7Q3.. I Check- bet- call- I fold.. No setty, no betty… Turn.. 4 DOH!!!!
2	SB	J5	-10	F PFR
3	But	KQ	-90	1 limper, I R	BB & limper call- 3 Plyr.. 8TT… check raised by BB.. I reraise and get capped.. I call.. Turn.. 4.. He bet, I fold.. Will I ever learn
4		Q3o		F	T2T..5..Q.. Pkt 4s wins.. Can you see my blood pressure rising?
5		64o		F
6		T3s		F
7	UTG	32o		F	Fish calls PFR with 53 and flops str8
8	BB	Q3o	-15	F PFR	25J..3..3.. Bp rising.. Woulda coulda shoulda… what am I saying.. Just don't look
9	SB	J9o	-10	F to 3bet
10	But	74s		F
11		K8o		F PFR
12		Ako	-165	R	4 plyrs.. T88… bet.. 1 caller (fish from above).. Playing 60%... Turn K.. He checks and calls my bet…River J..he check raises me.. I 3bet… I lose to Q9o.. What does a stroke feel like?
13		J4o		F PFR
14	UTG	J5s		F	JAJ Flop…Medic!!!!
15	UTG	A6s		F	Would have split to A3 who was on button.. Due to new player I was UTG twice in a row
16	BB	85o	-15	F PFR	TQK..8… 8… Why can't I be a fish…
17	SB	T6o	-10	F PFR	Would have split.. PFR had 98o.. T9 won on board of JAT..K.. J.. PFRr bet out the whole way with T9 calling the whole way. Inconceivable!!!
18	But	84o		F PFR
19		66		F to 3bet	I won't even go into details of this $652 pot.. Mind boggling
20		42o		F
21		97o		F
22		32o		F
23		93o		F
24		92o		F
25	UTG	K8s		F	Quit here for this session..not in good mindset
26	BB	Q7o	-15	F PFR	Session 2… 2 tabling.. Position will be out of whack
27	SB	83o	-10	F
28		75o		F
29	BB	62o	-15	Check	4 plyrs.. T64 Flop Check fold
30	Cut	AJo	-105	R	SB calls.. 2 plyrs…882 flop… he checks and calls.. Turn 7.. He checks and calls… River A.. He checks and calls with AKo.. Nice play pal
31		Q2o		F PFR
32	SB	QQ	15	R	no callers.. Figures
33		T2o		F PFR
34	But	T2o		F PFR
35	Cut	JTo		F	K59..9.. Q.. Doh!! No showdown so who knows..4 plyrs.. Flop and Turn checked around.. Who knew?
36		97o		F
37		64o		F PFR
38	UTG	K9o		F
39		99	-30	C	5 plys.. J25 Flop.. UTG bets and I call.. 3 plyrs.. Turn A… I fold to bet
40	BB	ATo	-15	F to 3bet	Ace on Turn… no showdown though..
41	SB	T2o	-10	F PFR
42	UTG	Q3o		F
43		63o		F PFR
44		J8o		F PFR
45	BB	Q5o	-15	F PFR	JQ2..5… Q Doh… Pkt 5s won.. I would have had a bigger FH.. As it was, it was a $462 pot
46		KTo		F
47	SB	85s	-10	F PFR
48		A5o		F
49	But	65s		F PFR	3 callers of raise in front of me.. Had odds.. 5 tot plyrs.. 394…2… Q.. A5o won $447 pot.. I would have had bigger str8.. What is right play?
50	UTG	T9o		F
51		65o		F PFR
52	BB	72o	-15	F PFR
53	SB	T8s	15	R	folded to me in SB.. I raise and win BB
54		Q2o		F
55	But	J5o		F
56		62o		F PFR
57		K6o		F to 3bet
58		T4o		F
59	UTG	TT	38	R	BB calls.. 2 plyrs.. 742 Flop.. BB checks and folds
60		TT	97	C PFR	3 plyrs.. 5J5 Flop.. Rasier bets and I raise and he calls.. 2 plyrs… turn A.. Check check.. River.. 6.. Check check.. I beat 44.. I truly am a wimp
61	BB	A8o	10		Folded to me in BB
62	SB	QJo	-10	F PFR	No other callers so I folded…BB did call. 7Q2 flop..2..6… BB folded on river.. ??
63	UTG	76s		F
64	BB	A7o	-60	3 bet	1 raiser so I raised.. 2T9 flop. I bet out.. He raises.. I folded.. Thoughts?
65		88	-30	C	5 plyrs..AKQ flop… I call bet (????).. And fold to turn bet
66	SB	K6o	-10	F to 3bet
67		87o		F
68	But	A4o		F PFR	SB 3bet.. BB capped. 9A4 flop… Turn J.. River 5.. KJs wins..JT orig raiser.. 88 3 bet..KJs capped… Dang!!!
69		K3o		F
70		J9o		F
71		44	-15	C	3 plyrs.. AJ5 Flop.. I fold to bet
72		Q7o		F
73	UTG	KJo		F
74	UTG	42o		F
75	UTG	75o		F
76	BB	55	-30	C PFR	2 plyrs..83T flop… check fold
77	BB	43o	-15	Check	Battle of Blinds.. T98 flop.. I check and fold
78	SB	QTo	-10	F UTG R
79	SB	Q7s	-15	C	3 plyrs.. J4T Flop.. Check check bet I fold
80	But	A6o		F
81		A3s	25	Blind Steal
82		63o		F
83		52o		F PFR
84		K6s		F
85		86o		F PFR
86		J4o		F PFR
87		QJo	-15	C	2 Plyr.. 53K flop.. Check check.. Turn 8.. Ch ch..River 4… he bet, I fold
88		72o		F
89		83o		F
90	UTG	A9s	-30	C	gets raised.. 5 plyrs.. K2J flop.. I check fold
91		63s		F
92	BB	K2o	-15	F PFR
93	SB	QTo	-15	C	4 PL..2JJ Flop check around…Turn 2.. Check fold.. No showdown
94	UTG	K7s		F
95	But	T8o		F to 3bet	Would have rivered str8
96		54o		F
97		63o		F
98	BB	J3o	-15	F to 3bet
99		32o		F
100	SB	33	-15	C	5 PL.. 678 Flop. I check fold… A8s wins
101		84o		F
102	UTG+1	JTs		C	3 PL.. A82.. None of my suit.. I fold to bet
103	UTG	97o		F
104	But	J4o		F
105	BB	JTo	-30	C But R	3 PL.. 578 Flop.. Checked around.. Turn 8.. Fold to bet
106		98o		F
107	SB	Q8s	28.5	R	Folded to me. 2PL.. 2K4 w 2 of my suit.. I bet he folds
108		74o		F
109	But	64o		F
110		K7o		F
111		J3o		F
112		Q4o		F
113		43o		F PFR
114		92o		F
115		86o		F
116		85s		F
117	UTG	A8o		F
118	UTG	T5o		F
119	BB	72o	-15	F PFR
120	BB	75o	-15	F PFR	772 Flop… Doh!!! Still struggling with blind defense.
121	SB	74o	-10	F PFR
122	But	QTo		F PFR
123	SB	96s	-10	F UTG R
124	But	97o		F
125	Cut	97s		F
126		J2o		F PFR
127		Q8s		F to 3bet
128		86o		F
129		Q4o		F
130	UTG	Q5s		F
131		A5o		F
132		A5o		F
133	BB	96o	-15	Check	3PL..A86 flop..check fold
134	SB	J6s	-10	F PFR
135	UTG	J7o		F
136	But	65o		F PFR
137	BB	T8s	-15	F to 3bet	would have hit runner runner str8.. No showdown.
138		A2o		F PFR
139		T6o		F PFR
140	SB	A6o		F PFR	loose player raise… but no other callers so I fold
141		Q4o		F
142	But	T4o		F UTG R
143		K7o		F to 3bet
144		82o		F
145	UTG	Q8o		F
146		KJo	-30	C	3PL..8T7 Flop.. SB bet I call.. Turn T.. SB bet and I fold…
147	BB	KQo	-120	R	2 limps incl SB.. I raise.. 3J5 2 hearts flop.. I bet get raised and I call.. Turn Th.. I bet he calls.. River 4c I bet he calls.. He wins with Ato
148		42o		F
149	SB	K4o	-15	C	4 PL..A92 Flop.. Check fold
150		J3o		F
151		Q4o		F
152	But	T9o		C	4PL.. K35 flop.. Checked around.. Turn K.. Checked around..river 4.. Checked .. K7 wins
153	UTG	T7s		F
154		K8o		F
155	BB	J2o	-15	F to 3bet
156		A6s	-30	C	2 limpers.. I call gets raised I call.. 4 PL.. KTQ flop.. Bet and a call and I fold.. Turn… J of course.. Would have split
157	SB	93s	-45	C	Call and get raised… I call Q83 flop.. I check call Turn A.. I check fold
158		J6o		F
159	But	J7o		F PFR
160	UTG	53o		F
161	Cut	KQo	-92	R	folded to me.. I raise.. 3 bet by SB (loose PL) and I cap.. 83J flop.. He bets, I raise, he 3bets and raise all in… J… 5.. He wins with TT
162	BB	73o	-15	F PFR
163	SB	A5o	61.8	C PFR	4PL..436 Flop.. I bet out.. Get raised and I cap..I'm all in.. K… 7.. I split with 45
164		75s		F PFR
165		K7o		F
166		T8o		F PFR
167		J7o		F
168		92o		F
169	UTG	T9o		F
170	BB	J9s	15	R	folded to sB who calls .. I raise and he folds
171	SB	J3o		F PFR
172	But	84o		F PFR
173		82s		F
174		T2s		F
175		53o		F
176		A2o		F UTG R
177	UTG	Q5o		F
178	BB	Q8s	-15	F PFR
179	SB	33	-10	F to 3bet
180	But	A7s		F PFR
181		82o		F PFR
182		52o		F
183		84o		F
184	UTG	T6o		F
185	BB	86o	-15	F PFR
186	SB	AQo	-60	C 3bet	gets capped.. I call (????).. Flop 885.. I fold bet and raise. AJs wins with flush on river
187	But	KK	109	R	get all in preflop.. 579 Flop… K… T.. Figures I get the cards with no $.. Others had QQ and TT… wow
188		QTs		F PFR
189		T4o		F
190		52o		F PFR
191		T7o		F PFR
192	UTG	A3o		F
193	BB	J9o	-60	Check	5 PL..Q4T Flop.. I check call.. Still 5 PL.. Turn 3… check call River.. 4.. Check fold.. Drawing… Dead..
194	SB	J8o	-10	F PFR
195	But	T6o		F PFR
196		42o		F
197		33	-30	R	1 caller.. Q48 Flop.. He bets I fold.. I'm short stacked
198		83o		F PFR
199	UTG	72o		F
200	BB	54o	-30	C PFR	2 PL. KQ6 flop.. I check fold
201	SB	QJo	-27	ALLIN	T78…J… T… Lost to AT

So needless to say, my 15/30 days may be over. I have had a copule of winning sessions since the above so we will see how it goes.

2 Hour Tour

Now sit right back and you will hear a tale...
A tale of fateful session
That started on this poker site.. aboard this virtual table
WillWonka is the playing man...
The fishies are there for sure.
9 players set out that night for a
Two hour tour... A two hour tour...

Ok.. that was gay... and didn't rhyme... but that's ok... I don't know how this is going to work; but I thought I would try it anyway. With my main PC still down, I played the other night at Party for a couple of hours on my laptop... just one tabling it. I thought I would throw out the history of the night and see all the lessons that could be learned.. Here we go... fasten your seat belts... Again, this is played on the Party 15/30 Tables.

Hand#	Position	Hand	Net	Action	Comments
1	BB	A4o	-15	F to PFR
2	SB	T4o	-10	F
3	But	KQo	-30	CC PFR	Fold on 877 Flop
4		KJo		F to PFR
5		K6o		F	Board… 66TKT… dang
6		A6o		F
7		98o		F
8		J8s		F
9		65o		F
10	UTG	K2o		F
11	BB	K2o	-15	F to PFR
12	SB	87o	-10	F to PFR
13	But	T7s		F to PFR
14		32o		F to PFR
15		KTo		F
16		KQo		F to PFR
17		T7o		F
18		K8o		F
19		52s		F
20	BB	K3o	-15	F to PFR
21		KJo	-10	F to PFR
22		Q6o		F to PFR
23		K2o		F to PFR
24		K4s		F
25		Q6s		F
26		84o		F
27	UTG	A2o		F
28	BB	T9o	-30	CC PFR	Fold on 56Q Board
29	SB	K5s	-10	F to PFR
30	But	87s		F
31		T2o		F to PFR
32		T8o		F
33		KJo		F
34		74o		F
35	UTG	Q6o		F
36	BB	J4o	-15	F to PFR
37	SB	AA	132	R PF	Board… Q572Q… loose guy called with TT
38	But	K7o		F
39		T4o		F
40		KQo		F to PFR	Board… 358QT … AQ wins.. Sweet nice decision
41		A7o		F
42		42o		F
43	UTG	86o		F to PFR
44	BB	Q3s	-15	F to F Bet
45	SB	KQo	-10	F to PFR	PFR and 2 callers.. Had odds.. 4K5..K.. 4.. 55 won it.. I would have rivered a bigger boat $322 pot
46	But	42s		F to PFR
47		ATs		F to PFR	Tight Fold.. Looser raiser… board.. K4J2… who knows
48		KJo		F	1 limper b4… would have flopped str8 and won big pot… ironically KQ won.
49		AJs	-135	R PF	got 3 betted and called… 689 w/2 of my suit on flop,, I raise on flop … Turn Q.. I bet and get raised River 8.. Checked down QTs wins
50		76o		F
51		96o		F
52	UTG	J3o		F
53	BB	96s	-15	F to PFR
54	SB	62o	-10	F to PFR
55	But	98o		F to PFR
56		33		F to PFR
57		72o		F to PFR
58		AA	67	3 bet	Folded to my flop bet on board of T6K
59		K2o		F
60		84o		F
61	UTG	T4s		F
62	BB	87o	-15	F to PFR
63	SB	92o	-10	F to PFR
64	But	K5o	-60	Blind Steal	Lost to 97o… he flopped str8.
65		J8s		F to PFR
66		97o		F
67		83s		F to PFR
68		A8o		F
69		62o		F
70	UTG	JJ	-90	capped	9QK flop…I bet and get raised… Turn 3… I fold to turn bet
71	BB	J8o	-58	C PFR	loose player PF.. F 8T9 2 clubs.. I bet and get raised all in.. $13 more.. T A… R.. 7c.. I rivered my str8 but lost to AKc for rivered flush
72	SB	65o	-10	F to PFR
73	But	QJs	-61	I capped	895 flop… I'm all in for my last $1… T J… River.. K… lost to rivered AK… Rebuy!!!!
74		JTs	127	C	Q76 flop 2 spades (not my suit).. I bet out and get called… Turn T.. I get check raised.. River A.. Make crying call… My Tens hold up to K9s… wow
75		KTs	-15	C	AA5 flop.. Check around.. Turn 5.. I fold to bet (tight fold)…River 8 QJ wins… Dang!!
76		92o		F
77		A6o		F
78	UTG	94o		F
79	BB	A3o	-15	F to PFR	solid player raised
80	SB	32s	-10	F to BS
81	But	T7o		F
82		A3o		F to PFR
83		KK	19	capped	loose player allin PF… Q6352 board… river brought flush draw.. Loose player hits flush and beat other guy who called me down who had 88
84		T7o		F to PFR
85		Q7s		F to PFR
86	UTG	AKo	52.5	R PF	QQA flop… PF caller folds to my bet
87	BB	QJo	142	C PFR	98T flop.. Called flop and check raised T… Turn 9… River 7… beat KK
88	SB	83s	-10	F to PFR
89	But	Q5o		F
90		54o		F
91		T2s		F
92		T5o		F
93		K9s		F	Tight Fold
94		63o		F
95	UTG	Q5s		F
96	BB	T3o	-15	F to PFR
97	SB	T2o	-10	F to PFR
98	But	J5o		F
99		A4o		F
100		A7o		F
101		87o		F
102		AQo		F to PFR	Again Tight fold… but that was gameplan… No flop
103		T3o		F
104		53s		F
105	UTG	A7o		F
106	BB	94o	-15	F to PFR
107	SB	74s	-30	C	QJK Flop.. I bet and get called… T 8… I check and fold
108	But	Q6o		F to PFR
109		Q7s		F
110		43s		F
111		QJo		F
112		T4s		F
113		A9o		F
114		Q4s		F
115	UTG	22		F	High card won… who knew..
116	BB	KQo	-15	F to 3bet	I'm learning… 88 won.. Would have lost race
117	SB	T7s	-15	C	449 Flop… checked… Turn 8.. Checked… River K.. Checked.. I lose to J2
118	But	82s		F to PFR
119		ATo	-105	R 1 limper	limper Calls… K96 board.. Limper checks and I bet out.. Turn.. 5 I bet and get called… River K.. I bet and get called and lose to A6o
120		A4o		F
121		53s		F
122		T5o		F
123		AKo	11	R and get 3 bet	395 Board.. I bet and get called.. Turn K.. I bet and get raised.. I 3 bet and get called.. River 2.. I bet and get called… split pot … he also has AK
124	UTG	84o		F
125	BB	95o	-15	F to PFR
126	SB	T8o	-10	F to PFR
127	But	82s		F	Folded to 2 limpers
128		ATo	52.5	R 1 limper	limper Calls… QT4 board.. Limper checks and folds
129		TT	38	R	1 caller… 769 Board… limper check folds
130		77	-15	C	Only blinds play… JT6 Board and blinds bet and call… I fold
131		T8o		F
132		43s		F
133	UTG	72s		F
134	BB	98o	-15	Check	Q73 board… checked.. Turn 3.. Checked.. River Q… lose to K4
135	SB	75o	-15	C	J6A board… check fold
136	But	54s		F to PFR
137		Q8o		F to PFR
138		52o		F
139		A6o		F
140		A8o		F
141	UTG	AJo		F	I had AJo in early position… would have lost to Flush… whew.. Nice fold
142	BB	QTo	52	C PFR	Called guy who posted in MP.. 98K flop.. Check call.. Turn 2.. Check check.. River T.. I bet and he folds
143	SB	AQo	-45	CC PFR	K6T board.. Check call… Turn 7.. Check fold.. River Ace… Dang.. KQ wins… too passive preflop
144	But	K8o		F to PFR
145		A4s		F to PFR
146		A6s		F to 3bet
147		55	-15	C	A46 Board… check fold
148		A4o		F to PFR
149		K6o		F
150		Q3o		F
151	UTG	74o		F
152	BB	QTo	82	C PFR	Q2T Board.. Check Call.. Turn 5.. Check raise.. He folds
153	SB	Q3s	-10	F to PFR
154	But	42o		F
155		J7o		F
156		83s		F to PFR
157		52o		F
158		J4s		F
159		76o		F
160	UTG	K9o		F
161	BB	AQo	82	C PFR	J6K board… check call… Turn T.. Check check… River 9.. Bet Call… Got lucky… beat AJ.. Serves him right for raising AJo Under the Gun
162	SB	93o	-10	F to PFR
163	But	A7o		F to PFR
164		K2o		F
165		Q4o		F
166		AKs	82	R	2 callers… 484 Board.. I bet … 1 caller.. Turn K..I bet he folds
167		87s		F
168	UTG	JJ	427	3 bet	4 players ...6T4 board..capped.. Turn J.. Capped… River 2.. Capped… Beat TT.. Tough break for him
169	BB	A8o	-15	Check	Check Fold
170	SB	Q4s	-90	C	8T9 w/ 2 of my suit.. Check and call 2 bets… Turn 2.. Check call… River 3… check fold
171	But	65o		F to PFR
172		94s		F
173		65o		F
174		AA	142	3 bet	2 players.. 8KQ board… he check calls.. Turn 5.. He check calls River.. 5… he check calls with QTs
175		K8o		F
176		53o		F

1st lesson is patience.. I didn't play 26 of the first 27 hands giving me a VPIP of 4%. The hand I did play was the dreaded KQ... I then got a little unpatient and played T9... so I alway struggle with patience as I didn't sit down here to fold.

2nd lesson for me... stay away from tilt.. don't worry that you got rivered 3 times in a relatively short amount of time.. If the table conditions are good... stay and play your gameplan. My gameplan for this session was to stay pretty much with ABC poker as it was a relatively tight table (20% VPIP and 7.5 PFR).

3rd lesson which is definitely a repeat for me... Play aggressively when you play. You'll win some and lose some... but overall you should come out on top... Of course, you have to slow down when it is pretty obviousl that you are beat.

4th lesson which I was proud of was not playing the marginal hands out of position. Don't get caught up when your KQ or KJ wins when you are under the gun... that is rare. This was a focus for me and I believe I saved bunch of bets because of it.

OK.. the summary... What was the end result... I ended up $349 (mostly on the big hand when my set of Jacks beat the set of 10s). here is the rest:

Final VPIP (flop % basically)... 17.5
W$SF (Won $ when seeing flop)... 44.12%
Big Bets/100.. 6.61 BB/hr... 5.97 ($179/hr)
Won at Showdown... 44.12% (a little high)
Won $ at Showdown... 53.33
Preflop Raise... 8.52%
Agression Factor including Preflop... 1.76
Agression Factor not including Preflop... 2.63
Cold Call %.. .57%

Overall, I am pretty happy with those numbers... and since it has been rare I thought I would share them with you. The point being that you can continue to improve as long as you know what to do and execute on what you know... The second part is always the hardest...

Feel free to comment away on some of my donkey plays.... And as always, thanks for stopping by.