Well, here was my theory for last night. Let's start off a little more conservative preflop and then based on flop, filter in the needed selective aggressiveness. Nothing exciting in first 3 hands (K4 in BB, A3s in SB, and 53o) . Just losing the blinds. Not going to take a flyer on anything just yet. Again, the table selection at FTP has been a little better of late, in my humble opinion.
Now to hands 5 and 6 and they both include me getting middle pocket pairs. Typically, I don't have problems raising with these; but the theory and/or gameplan on the night was to see flops and go from there.
I would love to have some feedback on these. I will give my thoughts after hand.
Exhibit A
FullTiltPoker Game #1122935597: Table Amato (6 max) - $3/$6 - Limit Hold'em - 22:34:46 ET - 2006/10/19
Seat 1: razzleplayr ($431)
Seat 2: SplattG ($143)
Seat 3: willwonka ($85.50)
Seat 4: xiangqi ($124.50)
Seat 5: And_How ($84.50)
Seat 6: That Fish ($87.50)
And_How posts the small blind of $1.50
That Fish posts the big blind of $3
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to willwonka [8s 8d]
razzleplayr calls $3
SplattG folds
willwonka calls $3
xiangqi folds
And_How calls $1.50
That Fish checks
*** FLOP *** [2c 6s Jh]
And_How checks
That Fish bets $3
razzleplayr calls $3
willwonka calls $3
And_How calls $3
*** TURN *** [2c 6s Jh] [8c]
And_How checks
That Fish bets $6
razzleplayr folds
willwonka calls $6
And_How folds
*** RIVER *** [2c 6s Jh 8c] [Td]
That Fish bets $6
willwonka raises to $12
That Fish raises to $18
willwonka raises to $24
That Fish calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
willwonka shows [8s 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
That Fish shows [Qd 9s] (a straight, Queen high)
That Fish wins the pot ($81) with a straight, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $84 Rake $3
Board: [2c 6s Jh 8c Td]
Seat 1: razzleplayr folded on the Turn
Seat 2: SplattG didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: willwonka showed [8s 8d] and lost with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 4: xiangqi (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: And_How (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: That Fish (big blind) showed [Qd 9s] and won ($81) with a straight, Queen high
BB Special... Dang!!! Again, being a little less aggressive early on preflop and limping with pocket pair and just calling flop. Hit set on turn and slow play. There aren't a lot of places that slow playing is good in limit; but when you get an aggressive type (which this guy was) leading into you, you let him do it and ding him on the river. Of course, when he 3 bets on the river, I'm only afraid of one hand so that is why I can justify capping it. As it turned out, he had that one hand.
Exhibit B
FullTiltPoker Game #1122936199: Table IND (speed, 6 max) - $3/$6 - Limit Hold'em - 22:34:53 ET - 2006/10/19
Seat 1: Carbont ($195.50)
Seat 2: YardDog99 ($109.50)
Seat 3: willwonka ($90)
Seat 4: RandomRemix ($67)
Seat 5: j326 ($150)
Seat 6: Jarzbrd1 ($158)
YardDog99 posts the small blind of $1.50
willwonka posts the big blind of $3
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to willwonka [9h 9d]
RandomRemix calls $3
j326 has 7 seconds left to act
j326 folds
Jarzbrd1 folds
Carbont calls $3
YardDog99 calls $1.50
willwonka checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah Ad 8s]
YardDog99 checks
willwonka bets $3
RandomRemix folds
Carbont folds
YardDog99 calls $3
*** TURN *** [Ah Ad 8s] [Ac]
YardDog99 checks
willwonka bets $6
YardDog99 raises to $12
willwonka raises to $18
YardDog99 raises to $24
willwonka calls $6
*** RIVER *** [Ah Ad 8s Ac] [3c]
YardDog99 bets $6
willwonka calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
YardDog99 shows [Js As] (four of a kind, Aces)
willwonka mucks
YardDog99 wins the pot ($75) with four of a kind, Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $78 Rake $3
Board: [Ah Ad 8s Ac 3c]
Seat 1: Carbont (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: YardDog99 (small blind) showed [Js As] and won ($75) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: willwonka (big blind) mucked [9h 9d] - a full house, Aces full of Nines
Seat 4: RandomRemix folded on the Flop
Seat 5: j326 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Jarzbrd1 didn't bet (folded)
This was just unfortunate. I had him labelled as a calling station so I should have taken more notice of his raises. The only thing I went on here was that he didn't raise preflop so I put him on an 8 or smaller pkt pair.
Throw in a missed flush draw a couple hands later and somebody that rivered his flush when I flopped TPTK. Yep, history has repeated itself.
All of sudden, I find my self way down at the beginning of the session. Again, luckily, I was able to make a comeback for a whopping $9.50; but how many times am I going to say wouldof, shouldof, couldof. I didn't win a showdown last night until something like the 60th hand. That can get depressing.So here is a case that you can make that the theory sounds good on paper; but the reality doesn't always happen as planned. Had I stuck to normal playing tendancies, I probably could have salvaged the first hand with a flop raise or continuation bet. I'm not sure where I go from here; but I can say that my preflop raises have been under 10% playing short handed the last two sessions and that really can't be a good thing. Yes, perhaps, I can lessen the amount of downside variance; but the it goes the other way and I am losing something on the top side. My aggression has been OK as it is about 2.30 for the last two sessions which I can live with.
So now we head into the weekend which have historically not been so nice to me. We'll see how and what strategy I take into those games. I only have 7 more days to qualify for the Iron Man. I want to get those done right away as I will be giving into my wrist pain next Friday and will be having surgery on it to take away my tendonitus. I'll probably be instructed to take some days off from the computer... if not by the doctors, Mrs Wonka.
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Have a good weekend
5 comments:
Hand #1
You have to raise this pre-flop. Your hand is probably better than all those limpers so raise it for value. By just calling, you incite other people to limp in with all kinds of junk due to pot odds and pair of 8's is pretty vulnerable in 5-6 way pot.
On the flop, if they all check to you, bet obviously, if that LAG bets, raise his arse to define your hand. He might be betting a 6, a naked ace, etc.
On the turn same as flop, if all check to you bet, if lag bets again, you raise. There’s a lot of draws out there so make it expensive for them to chase.
On the river, this is obviously bad luck but when he 3-bets you, I think it’s better to just call. I doubt he’d 3-bet the river with one pair, two pair maybe but I’d rather just call.
Hand#2
When he leads out the turn, call down. The fact that he calls a bet on paired board of aces out of position probably means he has something. Just call it down and get to showdown as cheaply as possible.
I don't mind you not raising with pocket pairs. Usually they aren't good after the flop. You're not playing a tournament. So why raise? You can get away from the hand if it doesn't hit.
I would have raised after the turn, however. You've already made some money from the hand even if he folds, which he probably wouldn't. It's just too dangerous to wait for the river to "ding" him as you say, because not only are you letting him draw out on you, he will only call those raises with a hand that can beat you (most of the time).
I thought you played the second hand fine but I would have called it down rather than raising that much. His re-raise would have just gotten a call from me.
Just bad luck mostly, Will.
My 2 pesos:
Exhibit A: You should have raised on the turn, once you hit your set. I can understand the logic behind calling and raising the river, but if he is aggressive, you might as well pop it up here. Knowing now what he had, he may have let it go, but let's assume he calls. You end up losing on the river anyway, but you likely don't get into the re-raising war, since you now know that he is able to call your raise. Whatever the case, raise when you have the best hand if he is aggro, because he'll pay you off then and there.
Exhibit B: I'd slow down once he raises me on the turn. His play reads exactly like someone with an Ace. As you said, though, you erred by not listening to your own notes (a calling station who raises is strong).
Good luck, Wonka. On a side note, I'm really enjoying Limit lately. I just wish I had rakeback.
As Sammy Farha says, "All poker begins after the flop." However, I believe this is for no-limit. I love no-limit, so I would tend to agree. But that is for aggressive players who want the action.
I love the idea, but you have to be on your game alot! And Sammy will get alot of action, because he protects blinds, with anything, so you never know what is playing. So if you can handle the roller coaster and "love" the game, I think this is right for you! See you Friday, playa!
Exhibit A:
You gambled on him not hitting, he hit, so it was a bad decision. If he had not hit, it would have been a good decision. I think you had a blog that said this.
It seems to me, there was enough cash, where he was getting the proper odds, to call if you would have raised on the turn.
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