Tuesday, October 05, 2010

Can Anybody Find Folds?

Losing 5 buyins stinks; but should have stacked off on these hands?

Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/965520
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG+1): $234.00
UTG+2: $76.15
MP1: $243.70
MP2: $213.95
CO: $207.00
BTN: $158.00
SB: $297.00
BB: $1079.20
UTG: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+1 with Kd Ac
UTG raises to $8, Hero calls $8, 7 folds

Flop: ($19.00) Jh Ks Kh (2 players)
UTG bets $14, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($47.00) Th (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $30, UTG requests TIME, UTG raises to $84, Hero calls $54

River: ($215.00) 5s (2 players)
UTG bets $94 all in, Hero calls $94

Final Pot: $403.00
Hero mucks Kd Ac
UTG shows Jc Js (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
UTG wins $400.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/965521
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP1: $213.15
MP2: $676.75
CO: $219.65
BTN: $205.10
SB: $315.35
BB: $161.00
UTG: $200.00
UTG+1: $172.65
Hero (UTG+2): $273.30

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+2 with Kh Kd
UTG raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 4 folds, SB calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($20.00) 9h 5s Jc (3 players)
SB bets $7, UTG folds, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $17

Turn: ($68.00) Kc (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $42, SB raises to $84, Hero calls $42

River: ($236.00) Th (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $236.00
SB shows Qh Ts (a straight, King high)
Hero mucks Kh Kd
SB wins $233.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Hand #3
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/965522
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: $490.25
UTG: $119.60
UTG+1: $198.00
Hero (UTG+2): $307.25
MP1: $379.25
MP2: $98.35
CO: $280.35
BTN: $323.30
SB: $218.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+2 with Qh Ah
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 4 folds, SB calls $6, BB calls $5

Flop: ($21.00) Jc Tc Kh (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $10, SB folds, BB calls $10

Turn: ($41.00) 3c (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $26, BB raises to $52, Hero calls $26

River: ($145.00) 9h (2 players)
BB bets $77, Hero calls $77

Final Pot: $299.00
BB shows 6c 5c (a flush, Jack high)
Hero mucks Qh Ah
BB wins $296.00
(Rake: $3.00)


Have a nice day!!!


Fuel55 said...

u run baddddddddddddd

Anonymous said...

I could find a fold on hand #3, but not #1 or #2. Ouch...

pokerpeaker said...

I fold #1. Think about it. What do you beat there? You beat AA, which doesn't make sense, or KQ. When he check-raised you on the turn, you have to wonder if he's bluffing, and a jam on the river tells you he's not bluffing. So you're hoping at that point he has one hand.

I fold #3 too. Easy flush read there.

#2? Yeesh. Tougher. Good for you for checking the river so you could see a showdown.

noldmax said...

I think you're splitting at best on the river in #1, so I could possibly fold there.

#2 you played as well as possible, not sure when you would even consider a fold.

#3 is the closest call. Hard to fold with good odds laid on the river.

Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazo said...

I think #3 is probably a fold -- I assume you knew this guy had made his flush once he was raising the turn and then betting out the river. But I also think that's a very difficult fold and I'm not even sure I would have in your shoes -- but when I called on the end, I would have at least strongly suspected I was going to get shown a flush. The 6-high variety, that was a bit more of a surprise....

I don't see how anybody folds in hand #1. Though it is always comical reading how people say they would fold there. Someone above asked "What do you beat there?" about hand #1. I woud reply with "just about any possible hand in the world". At this level, anyone with any King will clearly push all the chips in (and sooted Kings call raises as a rule for this price I find), and even a second-pair-top-kicker or an AA type of hand will get flipped up once in a while at these limits. To think people would really even consider folding in that spot is just so comical to me. The flop is just so massive huge for you, and unlike the comments above there are about a gillion hands that you beat, and only two solitary hands that you don't. It is losing poker pure and simple to fold in that spot. If I actually believed any of these people would fold, I would get more worked up about this, but of course nobody or their mother is folding the AK on the KKx flop.

"I just flopped the third nuts on a high-card flop that almost surely hit my opponent as well. Since he raised me once at these low-ass limits, he must have precisely JJ and have flopped a boat to my trips-top-kicker. I will fold."

Uh huh. Phil Ivey on HSP vs Tom Dwan and with 350k of their own cash in the middle of the pot, playing against one of the toughest poker players in the world today? Maybe you fold. At 1-2 against uberdonks for what amounts to maybe $80? Can you imagine if people actually *would* fold that hand? Let me play in that game please.

Hand #2 obviously you pwned somebody and got disgusting'ed on the river. No reason to even talk about possibly folding under those circumstances.

Shrike said...

You run bad.

That said, when you get check-raised on the turn (1 & 3), I'm finding folds - maybe not right away, but on most rivers - with strong but non-nut hands at these stakes. Your villains' bluff frequency is really low at these stakes, and that's all you beat. Of course, against maniacs (you should have notes/stats on these) just shovel all your money in as fast as you can. But most of the time, at these stakes, the players just aren't trying to trick you. They've hit some unlikely nut hand after making a horrible preflop decision, and are playing for stacks with the goods.

I like the river check-behind on #2.


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