Wednesday, October 21, 2009

Clubs, Clubs, everywhere Clubs

I was looking over stats this month and some some seemingly unusual numbers

Here are some stats over the different game types.

Game Type Hands bb/100 VPIP% PFR%
$1/2 PL 297 28.92 18 8.5
$1/2 NL 224 50.38 21 14.2
$0.5/1 PL 3439 11.65 18 11.3
$0.5/1 NL 1445 7.27 17.1 11.3
$0.25/0.5 NL 1065 -4.21 18 11.8
$0.25/0.5 PL 7016 2.7 18.2 11.9

I couldn't get this where it was easy to read. Sorry about that.

Here it is differently.

50 PL 2.7 bb/100
50 NL -4.21 bb/100
100 NL 7.27 bb/100
100 PL 11.65 bb/100
200 NL 50.38 bb/100
200 PL 28.92 bb/100

Not so good at 50 PL/NL. A little better at 100 NL/PL. Even better at 200 NL/PL. I obviously will not be changing anything; but that it was interesting over this small sample size.

Two hands today vs completely different type of opponents.

Hand #1

This hand is against one of the best players that I face regularly (Sleekest).

He is 15/12/4.3 over 9.5K hands.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 7 players -
The Official Hand History Converter

SB: $200.00
BB: $42.25
UTG: $200.00
Hero (UTG+1): $329.60
MP: $202.95
CO: $411.15
BTN: $62.70

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG+1 with 8c Ac
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, CO calls $7, 3 folds

Flop: ($17.00) 8s 4d 6c (2 players)
Hero bets $10, CO calls $10

Turn: ($37.00) Jc (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $26, Hero calls $26

I'm not super interested in getting into a big pot with this guy; but at the same time, I don't think I can fold here. Anybody folding?

River: ($89.00) Qc (2 players)
Hero ??

Gin!! I hit my card. Lead out or check?

Hand #2

This next hand was played terribly. Give me thoughts on how you would have played and what decision you make at the end.

Villain is 67/33/1.0 over just 3 hands so this guy is OBVIOUSLY a loose aggressive player. OK, just kidding. No reads.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
The Official Hand History Converter

BB: $172.25
UTG: $37.00
MP: $32.00
Hero (CO): $339.05
BTN: $386.05
SB: $61.70

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with Ac Kc
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $5

Against unknown, I will sometimes just call with position. Re-raising is probably better.

Flop: ($25.00) Qh Td Qc (2 players)
BB bets $8, Hero calls $8

Small bet. Again, should I be raising. Folding is also a possibility.

Turn: ($41.00) 5c (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Should I be betting?

River: ($41.00) Kh (2 players)
BB bets $24, Hero ???

OK, I hit my card; but I'm not too excited about it. Call, Fold or Raise?

Have a nice day!!!


Anonymous said...

H1: clubs came in back-door so you should get value. I would lead big, since I doubt you will get him to bet/call and his bet will likely be smaller than what he would call.

H2: steal that m-fer! Should try to pop it on fop, then fire again on the turn if/when he gets stubborn on the flop. As played, I just call.

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Henrik said...

Hand #1: He's a good player, right? His betting so far indicates a good but maybe not superior hand. Since you hit a quite unlikely backdoorflush he's probably not going to check with the fear of a monster on his mind, but lead out to try to gain some more value from the hand if you have something like second pair with a good kicker. So this leans towards a check.

However with Harrington in mind I would say that this might be a spot where you should vary your play in order to keep your opponent guessing. You cannot only donkbet him when you're on a bluff or a more modest hand since he will probably spot a pattern sooner or later. So maybe you should mix in some bets here as well, but lean towards a check as the normal play.

Hand #2

His betting tells me this story:

flop - I don't have anything but a bet OOP might give the pot anyway on this board that most likely didn't help my opponent

turn - oops, he called and turn didn't give me any help. I better check.

river - two options:
a) so... he checked behind me. Maybe he doesn't have anything after all. I don't have anything (some suited Ace-rag hand comes to mind) but a bet might win me the pot
b) eureka, I made a pair! (He might have AK, KJ, K9, K8 but I absolutely don't believe in KQ, KT)

He could have jacks also. To play like this would be a terrible play IMHO, but still possible if you consider his 3-bet pre.

Unless his very tricky I don't see many spots where you are beaten by him. Perhaps AJ but thats not very likely.

I say this is worth a call. Wouldn't surprise me if we split the pot with another AK. Kings with weaker kicker, a complete bluff or jacks wouldn't surprise me either. The only hand I really fear is AJ and that is to narrow to lay this one down. But just call.

noldmax said...

H1) I like a check-raise on the turn. You have good equity and need to be check-raising some turns like this to discourage floaters. This is as good a spot as any.

H2) Weird, and good illustration of how min-raises can throw you (and me) off. It's not a bad flop to raise and consider a big multi-barrel bluff since this flop hits your range much harder than his, but it could entail a big $ commitment and no guarantee that he's capable of laying down AA/KK. Given the action, just call river and expect a split most of the time.

Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazo said...

Hand 1: I think you played it fine preflop, on the flop and the turn. Your club outs plus the Ace and the 8s give you some decent equity and the club draw is to the nuts.

I think from his action -- especially considering that you said he was a good player -- he actually has something good here. Not sure he would call a sudden allin from you on the river so I wouldn't want to scare him away with that, but I would be pissed if he checked behind and didn't give me the opportunity to get any value on the river or put in a checkraise allin. So, I think I would make a smallish-looking bet, making it look like a blocking bet, and hope he either calls or, preferably, raises. With $89 in the pot at the river, I would probably bet something like $36 or so. It looks small enough like you might want to see a cheap showdown, and might therefore induce a raise from a good player, especially one who in this case I assume has something playable. Or even if he just calls then it's not a total loss cuz you still got another $36 out of him. I've got him on 55, 77, 99 or TT.

Hand 2: I think your preflop call is just fine. Every time a guy reraises preflop and does so with a minraise, I hear a little bell go off in my head that reminds me to at least consider that he could have Aces or Kings. Yes you have AK yourself but I've seen much crazier happen, more times than I can count.

On the flop, I like your call. Yes you have a lot of outs, but you don't know if you are ahead, you don't have a flush draw, and for all you know this guy could have KQ or some part of an oesd as well. I think the call is the best move there.

On the turn, you could bet it but again I don't know if you are ahead or behind so I don't think raising is automatic. You don't even have any hand yet so I never think it's bad not to raise in that situation. Even more outs now of course, but only one card to come, I'm not dying to raise on the come here, especially on a scary board.

With your opponent's smallish bet on the river, I think you are probably behind even with your AK. The board is just too scary at this point for one pair to usually be ahead in my experience. That said, the bet is so small and you did just pick up TPTK, so I think I would fold it but calling there I think is not so bad given the bet sizing.

Flop: ($25.00) Qh Td Qc (2 players)
BB bets $8, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($41.00) 5c (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($41.00) Kh (2 players)
BB bets $24, Hero ???

OK, I hit my card; but I'm not too excited about it. Call, Fold or Raise?

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