Tuesday, April 21, 2009


I've been thinking bout the profitability of floating the flop. At this point, regardless of position. Let's take a look at the good that can happen.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/101490
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: $47.75
UTG+1: $71.05
Hero (UTG+2): $71.45
MP1: $26.55
MP2: $47.05
CO: $99.25
BTN: $102.25
SB: $100.00
BB: $67.90

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+2 with Qh Kh
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.25) 3c 9h 7c (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5, SB folds

Turn: ($15.25) Qc (2 players)
BB bets $15.25, Hero raises to $61, BB raises to $61.15 all in, Hero calls $0.15

River: ($137.55) 5s (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $137.55
Hero shows Qh Kh (a pair of Queens)
BB shows Tc 9d (a pair of Nines)
Hero wins $134.55
(Rake: $3.00)

The villain in the above hand was a 50/21/1.1 guy over just 34 hands. SB was a very good regular. When is a good time and a bad time to float? Heads up against a bad player, it has be OK as you will get paid off sometimes. When there is a third person who is aggressive, it may not be good. What do you hope to accomplish with floating?

A) You hit your hand and you bet
B) You don't hit your hand; but the villain doesn't bet the turn and you steal (if you are out of position, you can try to steal after the river card)
C) A scare card comes and you can bet to steal the pot away.

Now, the other side of floating. You call the flop and then fold the turn. That has happened to me 63 times over the last two months losing almost $400. Looking at the number, I may be floating too much.

I'm sure that I could look at this in more detail; but the general thought today is when is it good to float and when is it not good to float. Is it solely based on opponent? Position? Board Texture? Showdown value of your hand (like pocket pairs)?All of the above?

I don't know the answer; but will study this a bit more over the upcoming weeks? Anybody have thoughts on floating?

Have a nice day!!!

1 comment:

Alan aka RecessRampage said...

I swear I'm not a comment whore... but I went through a period where I wasn't really thinking about poker... I'm starting to get back into it and this got me to thinking.

This is a good post and here's my thought on floating. I would float based on opponent AND flop texture. (no need to mention position right? Floating OOP is just dumb)

So on this board, I'm not too crazy about the float. If the board is a rainbow flop, I don't mind it as much. The fact that the Q completed the club flush draw and yet the villain called with what is now second pair is shocking to me but again generally, it makes it for a bad bad situation. Ok, now let's change this board to say that the flop was a rainbow. Now, I don't mind the float because a) you have two overcards and b) you also have a backdoor flush draw. Sure, the flush draw is not there yet but the point is, considering that a) he could be donk betting some garbage hand, any face card could be a scare card for him/good bluffing card for you (two of which the face cards would actually connect with you) and b) he could easily have like 68 or T8 for a straight draw and could check the turn (possibly check call but pretty sure no checkraise).

Am I making sense? I think flop texture is definitely important in floating. Floating randomly is just going to cost you money, especially because now, since floating is so popular, double barrelling is also gaining popularity.

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