Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Rivered!!!!! Can I really call with a set?

That's it!!! I'm putting on the tin foil hat tonight. This is really, really ridiculous. To begin the session within just the first 15 minutes, I lost 4 pots to runner, runner flushes which definitely put me on tilt which led me to one of my biggest tilt calls ever.



This was your typical Maniac and was hitting... First let me give you of the kind of things that was happening to him..

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374551
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: $287.40
BTN: $387.20
SB: $200.00
Hero (BB): $392.00
UTG: $267.00
UTG+1: $332.45
MP1: $55.30
MP2: $392.40

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 7c 2c
4 folds, CO raises to $4, 1 fold, SB raises to $14, 1 fold, CO raises to $24, SB raises to $59, CO calls $35

Flop: ($120.00) 4h 4s 3d (2 players)
SB checks, CO bets $120, SB raises to $141 all in, CO calls $21

Turn: ($402.00) Ad (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($402.00) Qd (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $402.00
CO shows Ac 4d (a full house, Fours full of Aces)
SB shows Kd Ks (two pair, Kings and Fours)
CO wins $399.00
(Rake: $3.00)


So here is my tilt call hand..

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374550
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP1: $489.20
MP2: $200.00
CO: $111.95
BTN: $205.00
Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $200.00
UTG: $401.50
UTG+1: $35.40
UTG+2: $406.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with 6d 8d
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, MP1 calls $2, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, BB checks

Flop: ($8.00) 6s 8c 3c (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets $4, Hero raises to $12, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls $8

Turn: ($32.00) 7h (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $32, Hero raises to $78, MP1 calls $46

River: ($188.00) Tc (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $108, Hero calls $108 all in

Final Pot: $404.00
MP1 shows 3s 5c (a pair of Threes)
Hero shows 6d 8d (two pair, Eights and Sixes)
Hero wins $401.00
(Rake: $3.00)

So that one actually worked out... from there the bottom fell out and I found myself down over $500. I was able to make up half of it; but that was it.

Here is the hand question of the day...

Villain is 13/11/14 over 313 hands.

River aggression is inf over just 15 hands.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374555
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP1: $203.00
MP2: $103.70
CO: $200.00
Hero (BTN): $285.00
SB: $243.00
BB: $305.40
UTG: $200.00
UTG+1: $402.60

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with Th Tc
4 folds, CO raises to $6, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 7h Qc Ts (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($35.00) 9h (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $20, CO requests TIME, CO raises to $58, Hero calls $38

River: ($151.00) 4s (2 players)
CO requests TIME, CO bets $126 all in, Hero ???

Can I call getting about 2.2 to 1?

Here is another short list of feel my pain hands... Again, alot were misplayed; but it is what it is... I'll try to keep the list to 5 or fewer; but I have sooo many to choose from.

First 2 hands are against the same maniac from above whose stats by thew way were:

97/41/4.1 over 29 hands...
3bet 16.7

Of course he left after those hands with a huge stack.


Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 7 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374595
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $224.60
MP: $128.50
CO: $271.00
Hero (BTN): $200.00
SB: $240.00
BB: $299.55
UTG: $396.40

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with Tc 8c
2 folds, MP raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, SB calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($20.00) 7c Jc Ks (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($20.00) Ah (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $12, Hero calls $12, SB folds

River: ($44.00) 9s (2 players)
MP bets $22, Hero raises to $110, MP raises to $110.50 all in, Hero calls $0.50

Final Pot: $265.00
MP shows Qc Th (a straight, Ace high)
Hero mucks Tc 8c
MP wins $262.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374596
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP2: $370.20
CO: $200.00
BTN: $111.95
SB: $206.00
Hero (BB): $202.00
UTG: $200.00
UTG+1: $401.50
UTG+2: $35.40
MP1: $406.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with Ks 3s
4 folds, MP2 raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9.00) Kd Ts 4d (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $9, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($27.00) 6c (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $27, Hero calls $27

River: ($81.00) Qh (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $81, Hero calls $81

Final Pot: $243.00
MP2 shows Qc Th (two pair, Queens and Tens)
Hero mucks Ks 3s
MP2 wins $240.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Hand #3
Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374597
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP1: $516.40
MP2: $387.20
CO: $200.00
Hero (BTN): $389.00
SB: $265.00
BB: $302.45
UTG: $200.00
UTG+1: $392.40

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with Js Ks
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: ($11.00) Qh Kc 5d (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets $6, CO folds, Hero calls $6, BB folds, UTG folds

Turn: ($23.00) 8h (2 players)
MP1 bets $23, Hero calls $23

River: ($69.00) Qd (2 players)
MP1 bets $69, Hero calls $69

Final Pot: $207.00
MP1 shows 6c Qs (three of a kind, Queens)
Hero mucks Js Ks
MP1 wins $204.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Hand #4
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374598
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: $81.35
BTN: $105.85
SB: $29.00
BB: $40.00
UTG: $102.70
UTG+1: $42.20
Hero (MP1): $103.65
MP2: $108.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP1 with As Ac
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, CO calls $3.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 3h 9c Qh (2 players)
Hero bets $5, CO calls $5

Turn: ($18.50) 8d (2 players)
Hero bets $12, CO calls $12

River: ($42.50) Jc (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $42.50, Hero calls $42.50

Final Pot: $127.50
CO shows Qs Tc (a straight, Queen high)
Hero mucks As Ac
CO wins $124.50
(Rake: $3.00)

Hand #5
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374599
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $54.15
Hero (UTG+2): $54.15
MP1: $32.65
MP2: $44.60
CO: $58.35
BTN: $56.25
SB: $50.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $19.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+2 with Ks Ac
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.00) Kh Kd Td (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.00) 8s (2 players)
SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($9.00) 9h (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $27, SB raises to $45.75 all in, Hero calls $18.75

Final Pot: $100.50
Hero mucks Ks Ac
SB shows 8c 8d (a full house, Eights full of Kings)
SB wins $97.50
(Rake: $3.00)

http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374595-374599

Have a nice day!!!

5 comments:

The Poker Meister said...
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The Poker Meister said...

Will-
Some of those hands, you're acting like a calling station. I understand you're trying to set up a big hand, but you need to raise that up. Not saying that the outcome would have changed, but you certainly would have gotten your money in good at least.

Hand in question:
I think you're missing a key piece of data in here: Attempt to steal %. In light of that, I'm going to assume he was not stealing & give him a "normal" 13/11 range. Is a 13/11 villain raising J8? Probably not. Is a 13/11 raising QQ? Yes. KJ? Maybe (depends on steal %). Is a 13/11 raising AA, KK, AK, JJ, 99-55? Yes. You can also add in QT for the raising range if he's stealing.

Moreover, you have severely underrepresented the strength of your hand. I don't think he's pushing on the river unless he puts you on a hand that is marginally calling down (KQ, QJ) which he thinks he beats and will get you to call.

It seems there are FAR more hands that he PF raises with which you beat, than are beaten by. If he has a set of Queens or KJ, then gg - you got coolered. However, I think I call here.

Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazo said...

I don't see how you can possibly fold in your hand question. You've got the huge set and only a very unlikely inside straight beats you. Have to call, it's not like we're talking about 5000 big blinds here.

WillWonka said...

I folded. It's funny how everything is going bad, you can't always make the right decisions in fear of losing even more.

ZomB said...

"Here is the hand question of the day...

Villain is 13/11/14 over 313 hands.

River aggression is inf over just 15 hands.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/374555
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP1: $203.00
MP2: $103.70
CO: $200.00
Hero (BTN): $285.00
SB: $243.00
BB: $305.40
UTG: $200.00
UTG+1: $402.60

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with Th Tc
4 folds, CO raises to $6, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 7h Qc Ts (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10
---Right here, why just flat call? Any 2 cards that are suited or close enough to form a straight, a pair, or suited, present future problem. You are ahead here and should BET. Imo.

Turn: ($35.00) 9h (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $20, CO requests TIME, CO raises to $58, Hero calls $38"
Here is that danger card, 9h. Now 2 hearts on board, and 7 x 9 10 x Q making 6 8, J 8, or J K already a straight.
You bet 20, and he thinks and reraises you. You're beat. Maybe closer to pot size bet?

I learned this the hard way, from people chasing flushes and straights, etc and losing. Sticks in your memory.
Now that I am charting, I'll compare what I *do* win from what I "could" have won but lost trying to build a pot. ;)
-TheWookieWay

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