Wednesday, August 12, 2009

Two Tough Folds and I just can't fold anymore

Yet another roller coaster ride ending up with me winning a little bit under one buyin (17.90 bb/100) over 839 hands in 1.3 hours.

For some reason, I was finding the fold button last night which is never terrible. It may not always be the best or right play; but psychologically, it can certainly help. Losing a little is a whole better than losing a lot and "maybe" winning a lot. Sometimes the maybe isn't worth it.

First, I'm going to show the 1st two folds and then the last one where I couldn't do it. Please note that all 3 of these hands happened within 5 minutes of each other.

Villain is 23/14/inf over 44 hands.

Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -
The Official Hand History Converter

CO: $126.95
BTN: $111.55
Hero (SB): $178.00
BB: $201.15
UTG: $74.55
UTG+1: $100.00
MP1: $41.35
MP2: $102.30

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 9d 9h
5 folds, BTN raises to $3, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.00) Ad Qd 9s (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($15.00) Td (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7, Hero calls $7

River: ($29.00) 6s (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $20, Hero folds

Why the call on the flop? I wanted to see the turn before I decide on getting the chips in the middle. The scary turn card sealed my deal.

Same villain as above.

Hand #2
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
The Official Hand History Converter

UTG+2: $125.45
MP1: $123.85
MP2: $97.65
Hero (CO): $127.00
BTN: $201.15
SB: $65.00
BB: $100.00
UTG: $42.85
UTG+1: $78.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with Ad Ac
4 folds, MP2 raises to $3, Hero raises to $10.50, 3 folds, MP2 calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) 6d 4s Jh (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $15, MP2 raises to $35, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

This one just didn't smell right. I'm not real sure why I am giving this villain so much credit.

Villain in this hand is 29/6/4.5 over 64 hands.

Hand #3
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
The Official Hand History Converter

UTG: $125.45
UTG+1: $123.85
UTG+2: $113.05
Hero (MP1): $101.50
MP2: $201.15
CO: $74.55
BTN: $100.00
SB: $41.85
BB: $78.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP1 with As Ad
3 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 4 folds, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $6.50

Flop: ($20.50) Jh 8d Jd (2 players)
BB bets $13, Hero raises to $46, BB raises to $68.50 all in, Hero calls $22.50

Turn: ($157.50) Tc (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($157.50) Qd (2 players - 1 is all in)

I don't always 4 bet with Aces... especially in position against an aggressive guy. He cbet 100%


Have a nice day!!


Klopzi said...

Hand 1: I don't like the pre-flop play against this particular Villain but I wasn't there so I'm not sure how good your implied odds are in this case. As for the flop play, I don't get it. Why not c/r and try to get it all in? Or make a weak lead and hope for a raise? Yep, the turn card sucks but I'd still go ahead and stick it in.

Hand 2: Not a fan of this one either. SPR is 4, you've got an overpair. You've got to ship it on this hand. Villain could be check-raising with much worse. Just shove and finish it. Or call the flop and ship the turn. But folding? Way too tight in this case. Also note that Villain is not using auto-rebuy so he's a fish.

Hand 3: Pretty standard - though I don't get the huge raise on the flop. WTF? You're ahead of everything except trips. I'd let Villain donk off his stack on the turn and river. When you raise big here, you're only getting called if Villain has a good hand or if he thinks you're bluffing. Given the histories you've put on this sight, I'm not sure that Villain puts you on a bluff here.

Big D said...

I think what Klpozi wrote was fair enough but during the heat of battle I probably would have played it the same way you did.

Klopzi said...

I do agree with Big D: it's much easier to look at a hand after the fact than during the heat of battle.

And no matter how many stats you give on an opponent, the reads you have at the time of the hand can really change how you can and should play a hand.

pokerpeaker said...

Hand 1 - Good fold. Too much beats you. Would have played it stronger on the flop.

Hand 2 - I think a fold here is wrong. Would he really check-raise that hard with a set on the flop on a relatively draw free board? I think he has something like QQ. I suppose A-J is a possibility too. Maybe even a lower pair in his hand.

Hand 3 - I like your play here.

spritpot said...

Hand 1 really should really check/raise the frop. The turn card is really gross for sure, but I still don't know if I could fold the river. Folding sets is usually bad.

Hand 2 you should NOT be folding in this situation. Like ever.

Hand 3 you played fine, if he has a J or better nh. But I'd probably just 4b since vs. a 29/6 his 3-betting range is pretty tight, and if he has KK/QQ he will stack off now almost for sure whereas some scary flops either he or I will not want to get money in. Also I don't know why you think he's that aggro...4.5 AF means nothing over that few hands, as does 100% cbet...especially since cbet in non-3b pots isn't always a great predictor of cbet in 3b pots. The most reliable stats you have on him are the 29/6 ones, which aren't very aggro at all.


noldmax said...

I'm never ever folding H1. Maybe just call, but never folding. I actually think it's even fine to value raise the river here, with the intention of raise-folding. You are underrepped and beat a bunch of 2-pair hands, AK, AJ, and a lot of bluffs.

H2 is much tougher, and I have a theory (yet to be applied - :) ) about it not ever really being that bad to fold an overpair to a check-raise by an unknown. But that theory applies more in pots with a single raise PF. Since this is a 3-bet pot, it's either JJ or you're way ahead. Since there are way more combos of QQ and KK, I think you probably should get it in here.

On H3, I like a 4-bet, and otherwise, you're play is fine. In a 3-bet pot against someone with 80BBs, I'm almost always going to the mat.

WillWonka said...

Nice discussion on Hand #1. I think I might put a few more comments into todays post.

Hand 3 ended up be Aces vs Kings which could have been similar to Hand #2

Alan aka RecessRampage said...

Did you mean two terrible folds and I just can't fold anymore? What are you scared of on hand 1? Maybe you go into it in your comments so I'll read after I post this comment but terrible fold in my opinion. Checkraise the flop even. I really don't care but how do you fold a set there? Hand 2... he could easily have QQ+ there. Of course he could have JJ but that's about the only cards I can see him have. If he's calling 3 bets OOP with 44 or 66, so be it.

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