Monday, September 14, 2009

Disturbing Trend and Bad Weekend

I watched at least 5 or 6 full football games this weekend and have watched a few more before that. I am seeing an alarming trend of officials deciding games instead of the players. In football, I'm not usually that guy that cries foul on officiating (now college basketball may be a different story); but calling a taunting personal foul at the end of the game for telling the crowd to be quiet by putting your finger to your mouth is utterly ridiculous. If he does it to a Michigan player, then by all means throw the flag. Anyway, loving football season. How 'bout them Cowboys!!!!

Running short on time so here are a few hands (two from 1/2 and one from 50c/1) from the weekend that pretty much went terribly losing 18.7 bb/100 over 3200 hands.

Hand #1

Hero is 25/13/1.8 over 90 hands.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players -
The Official Hand History Converter

UTG: $226.00
UTG+1: $200.00
MP1: $291.35
MP2: $280.10
CO: $113.40
BTN: $202.00
Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $100.60

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with 7s 7c
2 folds, MP1 raises to $7, 3 folds, Hero calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($16.00) Kh 7h Ks (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $12, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($40.00) Qs (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $20, Hero raises to $60, MP1 calls $40

River: ($160.00) Ah (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $70, Hero ??

Hand #2

Villain is 24/14/5.4 over 300 hands.

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 Pot Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
The Official Hand History Converter

UTG: $165.45
MP: $167.00
CO: $40.00
BTN: $195.80
Hero (SB): $218.55
BB: $220.50

CO posts a big blind ($2)

Pre Flop: ($5.00) Hero is SB with As Qs
UTG raises to $4, MP calls $4, CO calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, BB raises to $24, 3 folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($60.00) Ac 2c Td (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($60.00) Tc (2 players)
Hero bets $34, BB calls $34

River: ($128.00) Jc (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $40, Hero ??

Hand #3

Villain is 13/8/4.1 over 1.2K hands

Note; This was one of the first hands of the day's session.

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
The Official Hand History Converter

BTN: $120.85
Hero (SB): $100.50
BB: $100.00
UTG: $48.00
MP: $106.05
CO: $109.55

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with Js Ks
1 fold, MP raises to $3.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.00) 6s 3s Jh (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, Hero raises to $14, MP calls $9

Turn: ($36.00) 8h (2 players)
Hero bets $20, MP raises to $88.55 all in, Hero ???

Have a nice day!!


pokerpeaker said...

Brutal beats all, but you probably had to fold on all hands, save maybe for the second one, as the price on the end is probably too good to fold.

First hand ouch. But you're beat, aren't you? Q on the turn and A on the river were about the worst cards that could come in that spot. Sorry. Ouch again. You probably didn't fold, and I don't blame you for that, but you're beat.

I've been taking stuff like that all year, which is why I'm losing this year. It's been rough.

Third hand I dunno...depends on the aggression of the opponent...but I probably fold. He's worried about all the draws and wants to protect his hand, and I doubt he does that with J-Q, right?

Klopzi said...

I'm not a fan of the pre-flop calls in all 3 hands. You seem to be tangling with some pretty nitty players.

As played, Hand 1 is a fold on the river. Sucks you're definitely smoked.

Hand 2: I'm not sure why you'd call with AQs unless you're putting BB on a squeeze. If that's the case, why not make a weak lead at the flop and try to get it all in. What was your plan in this hand?

Hand 3: Your turn bet commits you to the pot. What was your intention when you lead half-pot? I would have c/r pot on the flop and shoved the turn. Tough spot because you're playing a marginal hand OOP against a TAG/NIT.

Again, I really feel like the mistakes came pre-flop with these hands (although hand 1 is closer since you could expect a call from BB).

spritpot said...

Hand 1 I think I'd call since it's marginally possible he could have a flush or a straight, and the pot odds are pretty good.

Hand 2 fold preflop I think.

Hand 3 there's not much reason to check/raise the flop really. Against these kinds of players, they're not going to be folding an overpair, which they have quite often, and you won't get much value from a worse pair or draw. But having check/raised flop and bet turn, you gotta call the shove getting about 2:1.

Henrik said...

Hand #1

The call PF is good I think - you're both deep enough for making setmining profitable.

On the river it's a very tough decision. Fold a full house? On the other hand the ace was a terrible card since now both AK, AA, QQ and KQ - all likely hands when you look at his line - beats you. The bet from villain smells like a suckout. He knows you will have a hard time folding. That said I'd probably make a crying call here, but I'm more of a SnG than a CG-player

Henrik said...

Hand #2 What a devastating river card!

This also smells like a suck bet. Sure you're getting a very good price for the call - but what possible holdings of him can you beat? The KK and the QQ without a club in it? And would he bet the river without a club in his hand or at least a straight (if he raised with KQ) which he probaly won't lay down if you put him all-in.

He COULD have KK or QQ without a club. But I doubt it. There's a few other hands that beat you right now but might fold (AJ and AK without the club king) to an all-in from you. But I wouldn't risk that myself on such a tough board. In fact I doubt it's even profitable to call here, despite of the odds. If he's a regular it might be of some metagame value though to do the call just to show him that you won't let him take down decent pots this easy.

Henrik said...

Hand #3

Classical "trouble hand" KJ. PF I would have folded this OOP against a 13/8 player without much thought even if it was shorthanded (I mostly play fullring SnG). If on button I might have called.

As played it's a very tough decision and probably very read dependant. I wouldn't be surprised to see him show 99 or TT here and thus trying to maximize the FE to putting you allin. But we have to take the three overpairs, AJ, 88 and perhaps even 66 into account as well.

Unless you had any notes on him taking this line in recent hands with complete bluffs this looks like a fold to me. His allin move denies you the right prize for drawing to the flush.

WillWonka said...

Hand #1. I made the crying called and luckily he showed a flush.

Hand #2. Again, I made the reluctant call and he showed pocket Kings... but he did there with the flush. Leading out on the flop is probably right; but probably NOT taking it down.

Hand #3. I definitely made a bad call here and he showed a set of threes. He successfully faded the flush and took it down.

Henrik said...

Interesting outcome and we could learn something about every one of those hands, right?

Hand #1

Note on this villain that he's willing to chasing draws even when the odds aren't good enough. OK, he may have trusted the implied odds but he was drawing to a flush that wasn't the nuts and the board paired on the flop. His line in the hand looks quite bad to me even in other aspects so all in all this should be a player we will be glad to play big pots against in the future

Hand #2

This shows the difficulty of playing a hand like AQ OOP against a player that did a re-raise against 4 other players, thereby representing a real big hand - and in fact that's just what he had! A 25/13 player is not a nit for sure, but if he 3bets 12bb against 4 opponents we should normally assume he has something real big and that we are behind with a hand like AQ. Even if we not loose our whole stack there's a bunch of postflop scenarios we dont like:

Board comes Ace-rag-rag. We bet, he raises or smooth call and then makes a huge re-raise on turn. We call, he shows AA or AK

Board comes Q-high, rainbow. We bet he calls. A blank on the turn. We bet and he calls us again. Or we check and he bets. What now? Shall we give him credit for QQ+

Board comes Ace-Jack-rag. We bet, he raises. Could A pair of jacks be in his range. Or AJ? (I would think his range for doing this re-raise pre is more QQ+ and AK, but I can't be sure)

Board comes Queen-10-rag, 2 of the same suit. We bet, he puts us allin or at least makes a huge reraise? Is he on a flush draw, combined with a gut shot straight (AKs) Or are we facing QQ+ and are crushed.

I believe AQ is predestined to loose money here so a fold is what i prefer. Had I been the initial and only raiser would have been more inclined to call, since I would expect his range to be broader than with 4 players already in the pot.

Hand #3

Again: Avoid difficult decision making when OOP with difficult hands like KJ. Also: If a nit puts you all-in on turn on a board like this you should assume that your top pair is no good and fold, because your 25% chance of hitting the flush is not going to compensate.

WillWonka said...

I hope we can learn things from these hands. That is why I post them.

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